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Robert Faurisson answer 14 questions in this video
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Robert
Faurisson
About
revisionism
The title was: "My
Challenge to the Swedish media". And this challenge looked
very simple. It was: "Please, show me or draw me a Nazi gas
chamber." I got interested
myself 32 years ago in what is called revisionism. I read at
that time Paul Rassinier. And since then I have read
thousands of books, hundreds of documents about this story
of the Holocaust of the Jews. And I have wanted to see what
is true and what is not true. What is exact, and what is not
exact about what the Jews suffered. If I had to sum it up I
would say that what is true is: There was a persecution of
the Jews. It's quite true that there were deportations,
concentration camps. Even that there were massacres. Because
I do not know of any wars without massacres. I think that it
is true that there were of course ghettos, concentration
camps, labour camps and so on. But what we contest is that
there was something else and much worse than that. Because,
I'm sorry to say, concentration camps are something which
exists today. Which has always existed. But, what we contest
is what is added on to this. And what is added is that there
was a plan to exterminate the Jews. That there was first an
order from Hitler which said: Kill all the Jews. That there
was a plan, a specific plan, that there were gas chambers,
which were a specific weapon for a specific crime. And that
the result of all this was 6 million Jews who died. This we
contest. We say that this is not true. This is not
exact. I suppose that most of
you believe that there was an order coming from Hitler to
kill the Jews. This was said and repeated in the '50's, in
the '60's, in the '70's. At the end of the '80's it was
abandoned. Today you will not find one historian claiming
that there was any order, either from Hitler or from any
Nazi, aiming to kill the Jews. I suppose that most of you,
you think there was such a plan. For example, a plan decided
in Berlin-Wannsee, on the 20th of January 1942. This was
said and repeated. Now it's been totally abandoned. And a
very well known Jewish historian his name is Yehuda Bauer
said in January 1992: "The silly story of Wannsee". Because
in Wannsee nothing of the kind was decided. It was decided
that the Jews would be expelled, if possible, from Europe.
But no question of "extermination". So no order, no plan, no
budget. If you decide on such a programme, especially in
time of war, you need money to carry it out. You need to
decide that such a sum of money will be given to such
service, for such purpose. But, nothing. Now, are there any gas
chambers? Do you have any proof that a room called "gas
chamber" was actually a room where people were killed by
gas, and especially with Zyklon B? The answer is No. You
have not the slightest expert proof of that. I'll get back
to this question of the gas chambers and you will see that
what we are told about it is a physical and chemical
impossibility. I've used the word "Zyklon B". It's quite
right that Zyklon B existed. It had existed since 1922 and
it still exists today. It is, precisely, hydrocyanic acid to
kill lice. Do we have any expert's report showing that a
single body was found by the Allies in 1945 of a person who
had been killed by poison gas? The answer is No. Hundreds,
thousands of autopsies have been performed. Not one has
demonstrated such a killing by this poison gas. So you see,
no order, no plan, no budget, no instruction, no gassed
body, no such weapon, I mean that there is no expert's
report showing that this place was used as the weapon of the
crime. Perhaps are you going to say: "But, what about the
witnesses?" I believed as you do, you who believe that there
were gas chambers, that we had so much proof, that we had so
many witnesses. And I was shocked when for the first time I
read that those gas chambers had not existed. So, believe
me: I have read many, many testimonies. Especially, of
course, testimonies coming from Elie Wiesel, Simon
Wiesenthal and other people like that. And my conclusion is
that there is not one witness of the gassings or of the gas
chambers. Because and this is really a scandal not once in
so many trials against German people, not once has a
so-called witness been cross-examined on the very facts of
gassing. Many times myself I have met Jews saying: "Now, Mr
Faurisson, how can you say that there were no gas chambers?
I was myself in Auschwitz. I am a living witness". Every
time I have looked those people in the eye and said: "Now,
you claim that you are a witness: please describe to me the
gas chamber that you saw. Please describe to me the
gassing." The answer is: "Now, Mr Faurisson, how can you
expect me to have witnessed a gassing? If I had witnessed a
gassing I wouldn't be here, alive, to talk to you." Which
means: 1) that this person lied to me when first he
or she said: "I am a living witness of the gassings;"
2) it means that in the opinion of this person there
could not be any witnesses, which is false. You can imagine
that, if those fantastic slaughterhouses had existed, we
would have thousands of witnesses. So, if you don't have, as
I've told you, an order, a plan, a budget, instructions, a
body etc., no weapon and so on, and if you have no
witnesses, then what is it that you have? Sometimes people
rather naively say: "But we know that the Germans destroyed
the gas chambers and killed all the witnesses." I am sorry.
It makes your position worse, because my question would be:
"Please describe to me what the Germans are supposed to have
destroyed. What do you know about that?" I need a
description. For 32 years I've been looking for what
such a gas chamber could look like. In
32 years I've never found it. Sometimes I've thought, "Here
we are: I am approaching a gas chamber, something resembling
a gas chamber". But every time it's been like a mirage. It's
vanished. So I need simply an image. I've visited, of
course, Auschwitz, Birkenau, Majdanek, Mauthausen, Hartheim,
Dachau, Oranienburg-Sachsenhausen, Struthof-Natzweiler and
so on. What we are shown in some of those camps, especially
in Auschwitz 1, is really ridiculous. Never could
any of those poor rooms have been a gas
chamber. And this is the most
important part, I think, of what I have to say to you. It's
about what a gas chamber, if it had existed, would have
looked like. Many people make a mistake. They mix up
executions by gassing with deliberate, suicidal gassings, or
with accidental ones. There are many accidents with gas. If
you want to execute somebody with gas it's extremely
difficult. Because you want to kill that person and you
don't want to kill yourself. You don't wish to run any risk:
risk of explosion, risk of the gas's escaping from the room
and getting into your quarters and killing you or making you
sick. So you have something simple to do. You only need to
see what is and what was already in the '20's or in the
'30's an American gas chamber, in an American penitentiary
to execute a prisoner with hydrocyanic acid. And Zyklon B is
hydrocyanic acid. So, please go to the United States as I
did to visit a gas chamber, or try to find documentation on
it. And you will see how horribly difficult it is to execute
one man, only one man with hydrocyanic acid. The most
terrible problem is the problem of airtightness. Because
hydrocyanic acid is a substance which sticks to everything.
Which attacks everything. And you have to be very careful to
keep a place, as much as possible, airtight, hermetic, so
that there is no danger for yourself. And the second problem
is, after the execution, to get rid of the gas, this gas
which sticks everywhere. You need special fans. You need a
very strong exhauster to exhaust the gas. You need a mixer
to neutralise this gas. And this gas, supposed to have been
neutralised, is ejected through a very high smokestack. And
the day of an execution, the guards in the prison have no
right to be on the roof, because it's too dangerous. And
once the execution is finished, the doctor and the two
assistants have to wait a long time. When they think that
most of the gas is neutralised or expelled and neutralised,
they put on a gas mask with a special filter, rubber gloves,
boots and so on. They get into the place. And they have to
wash the body of the man very carefully. Because hydrocyanic
acid sticks to every part of the body. In your skin and in
natural orifices. So this body, the body itself is very
dangerous. So when you go after
that, when you go to Auschwitz and when you see this
ridiculous place next to the place with the ovens, and when
you see that they dare to say that this was an enormous gas
chamber, excuse me, but you can only laugh at it. First you
have three openings. You have two doors and an opening. So,
two wooden doors. Poor little doors opening inwards.
Which means, into the place where 800 people at that time
are supposed to have been gassed. One of those little doors
even has glass panes. You understand that if you had had 800
people in this place, or even one man, the pane would have
been broken and the gas would have escaped to the SS
hospital which was something like 20 meters away from there.
One of the openings leads into the room of the crematoria.
But hydrocyanic acid is an explosive gas. So you mustn't use
it close to such a room. And here, you don't find the
slightest mechanism to expel, to neutralise all this gas.
It's really shameful to say that, and I must add that I was
the first man to publish in my books plans of this place. In
fact this place from '40 to '43 had been what the Germans
call a "Leichenhalle", which is a place to put dead
bodies: people who had died from typhus and so on. They
waited there for cremation. It's a place where you store
bodies, dead bodies. Then at the end of '43, beginning of
'44, it was transformed into an air-raid shelter. And today
you can even, if you have good eyes, you can see the
separation walls as in an air-raid shelter in what we call
zigzag, to cut, you see, the draft of the bombs. So, in
fact, it was an air-raid shelter.The Poles, the Communist
Poles in 1945 destroyed those walls and their
successors want you today to believe that this
was a gas chamber. If you go to Birkenau
you see the ruins of big crematoria. And you are told that
those crematoria had gas chambers. I found the plan and we
can see how they were built: they were what the Germans call
a "Leichenkeller", which means an underground depot
for bodies. And you are also shown, as at first in Auschwitz
1, an allegedly "real" or "rebuilt", if you prefer gas
chamber. Because they have changed the story now. They say
"It has been rebuilt by us Poles". If you have ruins in
Birkenau, you have something normal to do. It's to make an
investigation. Because ruins are very important. And this
first place in Auschwitz 1 is very important. You need an
expert report. How is it that no expert report has ever been
made? I have never heard of a judge or people in the police
saying, when there has been a crime: "As we have many
witnesses, we don't need an expert report about the weapon".
Even if the weapon is very usual. I mean a gun or a rope or
a knife. How is it that for this fantastic weapon, which
nobody has ever seen or is able to describe, how is it that
there has been no investigation of the places in Auschwitz,
Majdanek or Mauthausen supposed to have contained gas
chambers? It's not too late. You can do it today. Why don't
you do it? You are accusing Germany. You have no right to
accuse if you have no proof. How is it that you refuse an
expert report? Even today you don't want to make an
investigation. Now, let me tell you
something. We revisionists, we asked for an expert report
and, let me tell you, we got expert reports. There are today
four expert reports. One is American. The second this is a
surprise is Polish. The third is Austrian. The fourth is
German. The first expert examination was made in 1988. We
asked a specialist of American gas chambers, his name is
Fred Leuchter, to make an investigation. He went to Poland.
And a man in Toronto, a very important man, called Ernst
Zündel, who is a revisionist, who had an enormous trial
in Toronto (Canada), asked me to go and visit Fred Leuchter.
And we asked Fred Leuchter to come to Toronto, we asked Fred
Leuchter to go to Poland. And Fred Leuchter said: "Yes, I am
ready to go to Poland. But beware: if I find that those gas
chambers existed and functioned I am going to say it." And
Ernst Zündel said: "That's okay." So, as I've told you,
he went to Poland, and came back with a report, 193 pages.
And he took, in Auschwitz, some wall-scrapings. You must
know that hydrocyanic acid sticks to surfaces, as I've said,
and can stay there for centuries. You can't get rid of it.
This is why in the disinfection gas chambers in Auschwitz
you can still see, very easily, blue patches outside. Even
outside with the rain and the snow you have still those blue
patches showing that there was hydrocyanic acid or prussic
acid or, as we say, "blue acid". So he took back those
scrapings and had them analysed by an American laboratory.
And the result was extraordinary. Fred Leuchter had the idea
of taking one sample from a disinfection gas chamber and
many samples from places in Auschwitz 1 and in Birkenau
which are supposed to have been homicidal gas chambers. The
result was that in the disinfection gas chamber you had an
enormous quantity of cyanide. And in the places where people
and not lice are supposed to have been killed, you had no
traces, or else very very small traces, probably due to the
fact that those places had been disinfected with Zyklon B.
As was the case with those "Leichenhalle"
or"Leichenkeller" I mean the places with dead
bodies. And this was said at
the Toronto trial in 1988. On the 20th and the 21st of April
1988. I can tell you, because I attended this trial where I
saw, I could say, the death of the myth of the gas chambers.
But you see, after that, the Poles got very upset. The
director of the Auschwitz museum decided to try to show that
Leuchter was wrong. And they asked a laboratory in Krakow
(something like 50 kilometres from Auschwitz) to carry out
an investigation, to make another expert report, to show
that Leuchter was wrong. And, believe me, this was most
surprising. The result was that Leuchter was shown to have
been right. But of course those people added: "But you see,
it's not, all the same, as clear as that. Because you must
understand that with the rain, with the snow and so on,
those traces may have disappeared." Which is simply false.
They cannot have disappeared. Then came a third expertise by
a man call Walter Lüftl. He lives in Vienna. He is, or
he was at that time, an engineer. He was dismissed after
expressing his views. This man was the head of what they
call in Austria the Chamber of Engineers. Not a common man.
A very high-ranking specialist. Then came, in 1992, which
means this year, the report of a German chemist, a very
high-ranking specialist in chemistry. So, four expert
reports, four proofs that the gas chambers, those homicidal
gas chambers, never existed and, even, never could have
existed.
Talk
given by professor
Robert Faurisson
in
Stockholm on
December
4th, 1992 and brodcasted by Radio Islam:
Robert Faurisson answer 12 questions
In Swedish
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